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  • Please take a look at Sample MST3K Episode Listing and let me know of any feedback. I think it streamlines the format.

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    • It looks good to me. I see that you've named the heading "Notable Riffs" rather than "Oscure References". Is there a reason for that?

      Personally, I've never thought it was especially necessary for ANY of the pages to have a "notable riffs" section, as it just becomes as list of various editors' personal favorite jokes, without providing any additional context or explanations that might help readers understand the jokes.

      Also, with the Gallery for episodes, would it be your preference that photos not appear in the body of the article? I know that many pages currently have a screen grab for each Host Segment.

      I'm assuming this format would also apply to CT, RT, FC, etc?

      Would you want to differentiate between Regular Cast and Guest Cast?

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    • I think "Notable riffs" works better because, just as what is "notable" is in the eye of the beholder, so is what is "obscure". But I think most obscure riffs are notable, while many notable riffs are not obscure. Does that make sense? It's true these things can get out of hand, so maybe we set a maximum (noted in the code, but not visible to readers) and any changes after the maximum is reached have to be agreed upon.

      I would like to keep photos in the body to a minimum. One per section at most, I think. They clutter up articles that are often too short to sustain them. A gallery can be as big as we want. So for the host segments, for instance, maybe one in the body that encapsulates the "plot" (if there is one) - like Dr. F tied up in "Sinister Urge" - and additional ones in the gallery.

      And, yes, I think this format works perfectly for the other projects, as well.

      That line break you removed was intended to be a clear break between the main cast and the guest cast, without having to spell it out. I suppose just using a bold "Main cast" and "Guest cast" would be okay. I just don't want them to be another subsection.

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    • Got it. I really just removed the line break in the process of adding Frank's credit.

      Style question- When a member of the cast is playing a real person, should the real person's name be in quotes, i.e. Mike Nelson as "Larry Buchanan" or Bridget Jones as "Adrienne Barbeau"?

      Personally, I'd prefer to specify that the section currently known as "Oscure References" is where people can provide explanations for references that other readers might not be familiar with. For example, in "Daddy-O", I think it's hilarious when Tom says "Otto Von Cheesebicuit!" (and would therefore consider that a 'notable riff'), but it doesn't really require explanation and other viewers might not find it as funny (or 'notable'). Conversely, explaining who Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman is might increase a viewer's appreciation of the joke, and possibly motivate them to seek out some other media to which they might not otherwise have been exposed.

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    • I want to point out that I appreciate the time and thought that you're putting into this. While this may be just a simple wiki about a puppet show, I've always had the mentality that anything worth doing is worth doing well. And MST3K is unique in that it attracts people fro all across the cultural spectrum, each with a different frame of reference.

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    • Well, I spent a bit of time writing a response, only for it to be lost in the ether. I'll write the quick and dirty version:

      First, thanks for the kind words. I wish I had more time to spend on the wiki, but I do what I can.

      As for the riff lists, I really think only one section is best. It's easiest for readers and makes it less likely that stuff gets duplicated. That means, it's either a comprehensive list of "Notable riffs" or we focus *only* on "Obscure references" and not add stuff just because we like it. Do you see where I'm heading with this? Either one works for me, but I think it's important we have only one section.

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    • I agree, and I'm in favor of only having joke explanations. Otherwise, it's likely that the pages will become cluttered with quotes from the show just because they're a particular editor's favorites.

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    • One of my plans for today is to create pages for some films that haven't been riffed (at least, not in any way that's been recorded) so there'll be a better example of why the episode pages are separate from the movie pages. You'll see what I mean.

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    • Okay, just make one, so I can see it and maybe tweak the layout/info. Remember there's an infobox for them now, as well.

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    • They should look somewhat close to the way they look on Wikipedia, though not an exact copy, due to a different focus.

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    • OK, I made pages for Night of the Ghouls, Nightbeast, and Walk the Dark Street before I saw this message. What is the correct infobox template?

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    • I was thinking of doing a page for The Beat Generation, a 1959 film starring Mamie Van Doren that also features Dick Contino, Jackie Coogan, Ray Anthony, Irish McCalla, and Maila Nurmi (aka Vampira, but she's not in costume).

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    • It's Template:Infobox Film. Now that I see what you have in mind, I don't think we need pages for non-riffed films. I tend to remove previously created pages for actors/directors/etc. who were never on MST, so I think we need the same policy for films. Let's start with pages for films actually used on MST3K, then films used in spin-off projects. The only non-riffed films I can see having a page would be ones that are referenced a lot.

      On a separate note, check the main page and tell me what you think of the changes.

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